Fashion show at Ahsan Manzil

April 13, 2010

Click here to see the gorgeous pictures from the fashion night on Flickr

The evolution of saree through the ages by Nusrat Jahan Pritom
The Daily Star: Saturday, April 3, 2010
The stoic walls of Ahsan Manzil in Old Dhaka were alive again last Thursday night. In the times of the nawabs, the dome of this palace was perhaps the highest point of Dhaka, drawing intrigued people from all over. On the night of April 1, there was a gathering of not nawabs and zamindars but of admirers of haute couture and connoisseurs of art. The occasion was the fashion show arranged by Tootli Rahman. Titled, “The Evolution of Saree of the Subcontinent over 100 years,” the event was sponsored by City Bank Ltd and American Express.
The audience was mesmerised by the razzle-dazzle, opulence and intricate embellishments; and the models looked good too. The palace wore a festive look and the allure of saree amazed all.
Saree is undoubtedly the simplest yet most beautiful garment but many people are unaware of its history. The aim of this show was to discover it, in fact to relive it.
First came a simulation of the Mughal era. The models descended from an elephant. The segment began with a dance. In this era sarees were not so prevalent, and were heavily embroidered with zardozi work and semi-precious stones. The embroidery was done using real gold or silver threads.
After the Mughals came the Zamindars in a horse-drawn carriage. This was also the time when the British ruled the subcontinent. The saree then was worn in the ek pyach (draped around the body in a single wrap) style. The ladies of the Tagore household updated and changed the way saree was worn.
The late 1800s paved way for the Victorian style of long sleeved blouse, and saree camouflaged as gowns, accessorised with hats, gloves, lace ruffles, capes and more.
In the 1940s and ’50s women of the subcontinent followed the style of Indian filmstars and a number of new styles were introduced, such as short blouse, which was in contrast to the conservative style of the Brtish Raj. High neck, short sleeves popularised by Suchitra Sen and her contemporaries also made an impact.
The next two decades were influenced by the Hippy style. Women wore go-go glasses, large hoop earrings and large necklaces, and their sarees were heavily embellished with flowers and vibrant colours. In the disco era, the glitter, the shimmer and the gloss reigned supreme.
As a new nation was born in 1971, saree also found an expression and acceptance. The Bangladeshi role models were Kabori, Shabana and Bobita. In this segment models in green and red took over the runway.
The 1990s said goodbye to the glitz of disco, and embraced a style that was more elegant and subdued. Nakshi Katha, vegetable dyes, Mipur and Tangail sarees became popular. Around this time we also rediscovered a heritage — the Jamdani.
From 2000 onwards fashion in the subcontinent has seen vibrant colours, subdued blends, fusion, influence of Hollywood and Bollywood and perseverance of our own traditional forms.
“The saree evolution will continue if more support is given and women are encouraged,” said fashion designer Tootli Rahman.
“We did a show in Lalbagh celebrating 400 years of Dhaka. I wanted to do something particular on sarees and thought that Ahsan Manzil would be a great venue for the show,” she added.
The process was arduous, but the Cultural Ministry was very supportive. I had been dreaming about this for the last five years. What my grandparents used to wear — the styles and trends of those days inspired me. Everything has changed but history also repeats itself. It was wonderful working with all the people who have supported me,” Rahman said.
The show was choreographed was by Tootli Rahman. Assistant choreographer was Luna; make-up and hair was by Kaniz Almas Khan of Persona. Jewellery were provided by Purobi Jewellers.
The chief guest was Dr. Shirin Sharmin Chowdhury, Ministry of Women and Children’s Affairs.
Media Partners were Channel i, Radio Foorti, Canvas, Dia Asiana and Ice Today.
Square Toiletries Ltd., Marico, Golden Harvest, Aqua Paints, Infrablue Technology and RC Cola also sponsored the show.

29 Responses to “Fashion show at Ahsan Manzil”

  1. Mizan Says:

    Shame!!!

    Really very shame!! As a Muslim country we must not do this kind of thing. Really Shameful.

    For celebration there are a lot else things to do, why fashion show ? Please use the money to make the country and its people better by doing some charity work. there must be people in the street who has watched the show from outside. have you guys has given anything to them? Stop following foreign culture ! stop exposing the body in the name of fashion show.

    Shame!!!

  2. Iftekhar Hassan Says:

    Shame?……… for what? plus Bangladesh is not a Muslim country, its a secular country and people do have the right to do what they want as long as they do not violate any law.

    When we shall stop looking at women as sex object? a baby factory in the bedroom, a cook in the afternoon and a maid rest of the time?

    Fashion show reflect a person’s talent in arts, design and creativity. Its a symbol of trend in a contemporary society. Obviously, this modern fashion show in Bangladesh does not reflect, derogatory 2nd century nomadic and middle-eastern culture that so-called Wahabis are trying to embed into your mind as they did to the Talibaans and brain dead Pakis with only two holes for their women folks to see the world.

    If you really want help Bangladesh to become a progressive society, stop the following:-

    (1) Stop grave worshiping and converting “BATPAR PIR SAHIBs” grave into a disco to loot, rob or milk illiterate and poor Bangladeshis.

    (2) Destroy all these xx batpar pir sahibs kabarstan. Every xx pir sahibs kabarstan is a BATPARS KABARSTAN” they were nothing but criminals, all they did was loot the poor in the name of Tabiz and Islam. They have taken name as Shah, Syed and what not, just to defraud illetrate poor villagers.

    and stop trying to take away Bangladeshi peoples democratic right to organize fashion show.

  3. Mohd Talha Says:

    Agreed and appreciate Miamimice

  4. Iftekhar Hassan Says:

    Mohd Talha,

    Let me know if it is true that someone’s Kabar at Begumbazar is now converted with Chinese restaurant decoration with music……ting tong…ping pong….ching chong

    or it is reciting, hi muridan…..tabiz lay….Taka dey

  5. Iftekhar Hassan Says:

    ab vahii harf-e-junuu.N sab kii zubaa.N Thaharii hai
    jo bhii chal nikalii hai vo baat kahaa.N Thaharii hai

    dast-e-sayyaad bhii aajiz hai kaf-e-gulchii.n bhii
    buu-e-gul Thaharii na bul-bul kii zabaa.N Thaharii hai

    Respectfully,
    Long Live Freedom To think and Rxpress

  6. Anonymous Says:

    Thank you so much “Blogger from Germantown Maryland” with your comeback speech. I appreciate it … We need to show some people who are following the wrong directions what has been/ is/ and will probably go on in the future due to idiocy done in the past. Thank you so much once again!

  7. Just Call Me X Says:

    Reading the first comment got my blood to a boil, and I was about to give him a piece of my mind, but when I scrolled down, I read “Blogger from Maryland”‘s well-articulated, concise retort against the narrow-minded “regressionist” ideology that plagues our people today!

    I believe I speak for every “non-ignoramus” in thanking you for your refreshing response!

    – X

  8. Iftekhar Hassan Says:

    Here is the latest about a pir sahib

    http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/index.php

    Look for yourself

  9. Zeeshan Says:

    To Germantown Maryland, and all the Muslim Viewers,

    Hijab: A commandment of the Quran and Sunnah

    So, what do the Quran and Sunnah say about hijab? There are two ayat of the Quran that deal with hijab. These are Surah an-Nur ayah 31 and Surah al-Ahzab ayah 59. Let’s look at what these ayat say,

    Surah an-Nur ayah 31 says:

    Wa qul li al-mu’minat yaghdudna min absarihinna wa yahfazna furujahunna wa laa yubdina zenatahunna illa maa zahara min haa wal-yadribna bi khumurihinna ala juyubihinna; wa laa yubdina zenatahunna illa li bu’ulatihinna aw aba’ihinna aw aba’i bu’ulatihinna aw abna’ihinna aw abna’i bu’ulatihinna aw ikhwanihinna aw bani ikhwanihinna aw bani akhawatihinna aw nisa’ihinna aw maa malakat aymanu hunna aw at-tabi’ina ghayri ulu’l-irbat min ar-rijal aw at-tifl alladhina lam yazharu ala awrat an-nisa wa laa yadribna bi arjulihinna li yu’lama maa yukhfina min zenatahinna. Wa tubu ilaAllahi jami’an, ayyuha al-mu’minun la’allakum tuflihun

    And say to the faithful women to lower their gazes, and to guard their private parts, and not to display their beauty except what is apparent of it, and to extend their headcoverings (khimars) to cover their bosoms (jaybs), and not to display their beauty except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband’s fathers, or their sons, or their husband’s sons, or their brothers, or their brothers’ sons, or their sisters’ sons, or their womenfolk, or what their right hands rule (slaves), or the followers from the men who do not feel sexual desire, or the small children to whom the nakedness of women is not apparent, and not to strike their feet (on the ground) so as to make known what they hide of their adornments. And turn in repentance to Allah together, O you the faithful, in order that you are successful

    Surah al-Ahzab ayah 59 says:

    Ya ayyuha an-Nabiyy qul li azwajika wa banatika wa nisa al-mu’minin yudnina alayhinna min jalabib hinna; dhalika adna an yu’rafna fa laa yu’dhayn. Wa kana Allahu Ghafur Rahim

    O Prophet! Say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the faithful to draw their outer garments (jilbabs) close around themselves; that is better that they will be recognized and not annoyed. And God is ever Forgiving, Gentle.

    Together, these two ayah lay out seven commandments for Muslim sisters:

    1. “to lower their gazes”
    2. “to guard their private parts”
    3. “not to display their beauty except that is apparent of it”
    4. “to extend their head coverings to cover their bosoms”
    5. “not to display their beauty except to their husbands or their fathers…”
    6. “not to strike their feet (on the ground) so as to make known what they hide”
    7. “to draw their outer garments close around themselves”

    This is what Allah commands Muslim woman to do and if you think what you suggested is the right way then you are contradicting the Quranic ayah so therefore what you have said is irrelevant. Anyone who contradicts what the Quran says, is a MUSHRIK!

    As far as grave worshiping goes, it is indeed Shirk al Akbar and we should always try to stop ourselves and other from falling into it. Worshiping only belongs to Allah(swt)alone and not to peer’s, syed’s, shah’s, and etc.

    May Allah (swt) guide us to the straight path, the path that he had chose for the ambiyas, rasools, Muhammad (saw) and his companions. And may he protect us from falling into the wrong path, the path that Jews and Christians have chosen.

  10. Quiet Guy Says:

    Dear blogger from Germantown Maryland for your kind information Bangladesh is a Muslim country. 90 percent of Bangladesh’s population is Muslim and 97 percent of it are Sunni Muslim. It is unfortunate that the government is secular. But that is a separate topic on its own. It is very sad and pathetic we Muslim prefer to be governed and live life styles according to man made, flawed, corrupt ruling system over Islam and shariah laws.

    And my advice to all,Muslim and non Muslim alike READ READ READ. You don’t even have to go the library. You can just sit at home Google or Bing Islam and you will find articles after articles explaining to you how perfect this system is. It is the solution to all mankind from Allah(swt).

    I Know ignorance is a bliss, but just think before you speak. It doesn’t hurt. When you write comments like that you are not disrespecting anybody but Islam.

  11. Iftekhar Hassan Says:

    Dear Zeeshan,

    Thanks for your article on hijab. However, there is a differences between hijab and burka. I think you are contradict yourself as not being objective.

    Now show me where in “Surah an-Nur ayah 31 says” about face covering with only two holes as specific order?

    What the meaning of ayat is “modesty in clothing” particularly covering of head with with “Hijab” and “Chest” or breast area. That is exactly what ayat is saying.

    Nowhere in the ayat says that women should wear a garment head to toe with only 2 holes in front of their respecting eyes to see the world.

    As a matter of fact those mulla’s and batpar pir sahibs who comel their women folks to wear burka is committing haram or creating Bi’dah or inventing something new for Islam. Here is an article I wrote about this topic in another forum, please read it:-

    Bid‘ah (Arabic: بدعة‎) is any type of innovation in Islam. Though innovations in worldly matters, such as science, medicine and technology are acceptable and encouraged, Bid`ah within the religion is often seen as a sin or innuendo, and the prophet of Islam, Muhammad, stated as such:

    Whosoever originates an innovation in this matter of ours Islam that is not a part of it, will have it rejected. In addition, the Quran (which Muslims believe is the word of God, states,

    “This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.”

    However, whoever introduce BURKA (head to toe covering for women) seems to be a Bi’dah in itself, that must have taken place by certain nomadic followers of Islam after the death of Muhammad.

    Status of women during Muhammad time was far superior than their counterpart in Christianity, Judaism and obviously Indoo religion. Muslim women own land, home, busineses and had the right to divorce their husband and it was very common. As a matter of fact Muhammads first wife Khadija was an enterprising women and perhaps millionaires in those days. She had trade caravans going to Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq and Jerusalem. She employed hundreds of people. Even prophet Muhammad was himself employed by this women as one of her employee.

    There is no evidence that women wore this BURKA or NIKAB baloney during this time. However, it was common among certain backward tribes. Even BURKA wearing was common among certain nomadic Christian and Jewish tribe.

    Consider BURKA as a pre-Islamic nomadic tradition and not an Islamic duty.

  12. Iftekhar Hassan Says:

    Brother Zeeshan,

    Thanks for your article on hijab. However, there is a differences between hijab and burka. I think you are contradict yourself as not being objective.

    Now show me where in “Surah an-Nur ayah 31 says” about face covering with only two holes as specific order?

    What the meaning of ayat is “modesty in clothing” particularly covering of head with with “Hijab” and “Chest” or breast area. That is exactly what ayat is saying.

    Nowhere in the ayat says that women should wear a garment head to toe with only 2 holes in front of their respecting eyes to see the world.

    As a matter of fact those mulla’s and batpar pir sahibs who comel their women folks to wear burka is committing haram or creating Bi’dah or inventing something new for Islam. Here is an article I wrote about this topic in another forum, please read it:-

    Bid‘ah (Arabic: بدعة‎) is any type of innovation in Islam. Though innovations in worldly matters, such as science, medicine and technology are acceptable and encouraged, Bid`ah within the religion is often seen as a sin or innuendo, and the prophet of Islam, Muhammad, stated as such:

    Whosoever originates an innovation in this matter of ours Islam that is not a part of it, will have it rejected. In addition, the Quran (which Muslims believe is the word of God, states,

    “This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.”

    However, whoever introduce BURKA (head to toe covering for women) seems to be a Bi’dah in itself, that must have taken place by certain nomadic followers of Islam after the death of Muhammad.

    Status of women during Muhammad time was far superior than their counterpart in Christianity, Judaism and obviously Indoo religion. Muslim women own land, home, busineses and had the right to divorce their husband and it was very common. As a matter of fact Muhammads first wife Khadija was an enterprising women and perhaps millionaires in those days. She had trade caravans going to Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq and Jerusalem. She employed hundreds of people. Even prophet Muhammad was himself employed by this women as one of her employee.

    There is no evidence that women wore this BURKA or NIKAB baloney during this time. However, it was common among certain backward tribes. Even BURKA wearing was common among certain nomadic Christian and Jewish tribe.

    Consider BURKA as a pre-Islamic nomadic tradition and not an Islamic duty.

  13. Iftekhar Hassan Says:

    Dear Quiet Guy,

    Let me correct you ! LOL, Bangladesh is a Muslim majority country. But law of the land is secular. Get it? It is not unfortunate that the government is secular. Because, people of Bangladesh voted for the constitution that is secular and I pray, it remains a secular country with separation of mosque and state until eternity.

    Just look at Pakistan these days, what these so-call mullah’s, Hoozoors, Pirs, and Muta practitioners have created this pathetic land call Pakistan in the name of Islam, Jihad and intolerence of other minority religion. Its all unnecessary bloodshed ! and almost all are among Ummah themself.

    That is the game there in Pakistan. As a matter of fact, people with reason shed tears when we see Sunni and Shi’a infighting and blowing each other with bombs. Is this the kind of Islamic communal harmony you want in Bangladesh? Thanks, but no way it is possible in Bangladesh, however, you have right to dream on for such paradise with 70 huris.

    Congratulation must go to the people and government of Bangladeshi for getting rid of all these (or most of it)fanaticism from Bangladeshi soil.

    Please note, people of Bangladesh are more progressive despite being poor compare to their counter parts in Pakistan, whose brain were totally washed by these Wahabi madrassas (or school of darkness)which are being establish on a daily basis from private Saudi and Arab money, all over Pakistan. There are no differences between brain cancer and cancer of Islamic fanaticism that these punks teaches while some of these 70 years old hazoors marry 12 year old Pakistani girls in the name of Mutta wedding for 3 days.

    These fanatics are actually destroying core value of Islam from fanatic so-called Imam Tehmias writing which was later further fantasize by Wahab of Nejd. Their teaching is absolutely disgusting in 21st century

    Real Islam is nothing is nothing but universal brotherhood.

    I think it you who need to READ, READ and READ and don’t forget to read something about reason, objectiveness and humanities.

  14. Iftekhar Hassan Says:

    When I was young, I went to Tongi Estehma (I think it was first or second or begining of Tongi Estima) with our murhoom Khawja Sultan Bhai of Madina and my childhood friend Sarwar Hussain also now of Madina. What I learn or was taught there in those days by a great Islamist from Pakistan ( Iforgot name of this person ) that the purpose of Islamic religion was to foster compassion through loving kindness, to seek peace by example, to be a role model that performs with human hands the work of angels (Farrishta).

    That is the way Islam was spread !

  15. Zeeshan Says:

    Dear German Town,

    First, I would like to thank you for your response in my article that I posted. In the aqeedah of Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jammah, we don’t argue in such matters because what is haqq will prevail and what is batil will perish. For example, a man had came to argue with Imam Ahmed relating to aqeedah matters and he responded ” I know my deen, if you have lost yours go look for it”. Thus, I don’t like to argue in such matters because I am not a student of knowledge or a scholar of Islam. However, your response was pretty interesting in which I was obligated to respond. Therefore, I have found a article in a website http://www.livingislam.org which I hope that Allah (swt) grant us the benefit of understanding what he and his messenger Muhammad (saw) had commanded us to do, inshallah.

    { “O children of Adam, we have provided you with garments to cover your bodies, as well as for luxury. But the best garment is the garment of righteousness. These are some of Allah’s signs, that they may take heed.” } [7:26]

    Today we find the Muslim community most divided on one subject: the veil or hijab. Despite the clear rulings of Sharia on this subject, many people claim that the order for women to cover all but their faces and hands is not found in Islam.

    In this brief treatment, I will cite proofs from the source texts of Islamic jurisprudence (fiqh) from which the obligation of veiling is derived.

    The Arabic word for “veiling” is hijab. Lexically it means “cover”, and in Islam it means two things:

    – Woman’s clothing such as the head-to-toe garment specifically called jilbab and khimar.

    – Separation of the places where men and women respectively congregate.

    Obligation of Hijab as Stated in Qur’an

    { “O Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (jalabib) close round them (when they go abroad)…”} (33:59)

    Ibn Rushd in Bidaya al-Mujtahid (1:83) said that this verse has been adduced as proof that no part of a woman’s body should be evident to those who are not among the prohibited degrees of relationship (mahram) or her husband. Al-Qurtubi in his commentary on the verse said that the jilbab is the cloak that conceals all of the body including the head.

    { “And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms…” (24:31) “…only that which is apparent” } applies to women’s face and hands.

    { “… And when you ask of them (the wives of the Prophet) anything, ask it of them from behind a veil. . .” } (33:53) Al-Qurtubi said in commentary of this verse: “The consensus of Muslims is that the genitals and backside constitute nakedness for men and women, as well as all of woman except her face and hands, but some disagreed about the latter two.” This means the consensus of Muslims included them in the definition of her nakedness based on verse 33:59 and the hadith cited below.

    Obligation of Hijab as Stated in Hadith

    Among proofs for the veil in the Sunna are the following authentic hadiths (traditional reports) of the Prophet MHMD :

    “Ayesha (rad.i-Allahu `anha) reported that Asma’ the daughter of Abu Bakr (rad.i-Allahu `anhu) came to the Messenger of Allah MHMD while wearing thin clothing. He approached her and said: ‘O Asma’! When a girl reaches the menstrual age, it is not proper that anything should remain exposed except this and this. He pointed to the face and hands.” [Abu Dawud]

    Ibn Qudama in al-Mughni (1:349) explained that showing the face and hands are a specific dispensation within the general meaning of the hadith “All of the woman’s body is considered her nakedness [to those outside the mahram relationship or her husband].” (al-mar’atu `awra)

    `Ayesha (rad.i-Allahu `anha) said: “I used to enter the room where the Messenger of Allah MHMD and my father (Abu Bakr) were later buried in without having my garment on me, saying it is only my husband and my father. But when ‘Umar ibn Al-Khattab (rad.i-Allahu `anh) was later buried in (the same place), I did not enter the room except that I had my garment on being shy from ‘Umar.”

    The Prophet’s MHMD specification to Umm Salama that women should also cover their feet in prayer, narrated in the Sunan. This included the feet into the definition of her legal nakedness. “Women who are clothed but (at the same time) naked , turning their heads sideways this way and that like the humps of the camel, shall never enter Paradise nor even smell its fragrance.”

    The jurists have divided woman’s nakedness into two categories:

    *
    Lesser nakedness (`awra mukhaffafa): the face, hands, head, neck, forearms, feet, torso and back.

    *
    Greater nakedness (`awra mughallaza): all of her body except the above parts.

    `Ayesha’s (rad.i-Allahu `anha) strictness on the question is a well known saying, “When a woman reaches puberty she must cover whatever her mother and grandmother must cover.” A woman’s covering (al-khimar) is defined by `Ayesha as “nothing short of what covers both the hair and skin.” (innama al-khimaru ma wara al-sha`r wa al-bashar).

    Covering the Face

    The khimar (pl. khumur) actually refers to the head covering, so that a better translation of 24:31 would be: “and to draw their headcovers (khumurihinna) over their bosoms…” (24:31)

    It is essential to understand the two interpretations of the command to “draw their headcovers over” among the women of the Companions and the generation that immediately succeeded them, on which are based the two views of the Four Schools, namely, cover everything or expose only the face and hands:

    Some women drew from the top down, some from the sides and over. The result for the first category was to cover the face, while the second category left the face uncovered according to one’s own discretion.

    Following are two hadiths that illustrate the use of the khimar (face-veil) applied by women Companions of the verse quoted above.

    Abu Hurayra gave the following account of his mother’s conversion: I came to the Prophet MHMD Allah bless and greet him — weeping one day and said: “O Messenger of Allah, I have been inviting my mother to Islam and she has been refusing. Today I asked her again, and she said something about you which I hated to hear. Ask Allah to guide Abu Hurayra’s mother!” Whereupon the Prophet MHMD Allah bless and greet him – said: “O Allah! Guide Abu Hurayra’s mother.” Then I returned home cheered up by the Prophet’s MHMD Allah bless and greet him – supplication. When I arrived at the door of the house I found it closed. Hearing my footsteps, my mother said: “Abu Hurayra, do not come in yet.” I could hear the sound of water. She washed herself and wore her robe (dir’) and headcover (khimâr) then she opened the door and said: “Abu Hurayra! I bear witness that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah’s servant and messenger!” I returned at once to the Prophet MHMD Allah bless and greet him –, weeping for joy, and said to him: “O Messenger of Allah, good news! Allah has answered your request and guided my mother!” He glorified and praised Allah, thanking Him and saying good things. I said: “O Messenger of Allah! Ask Allah that He make me and my mother beloved to his believing servants and that He make them beloved to us.” The Prophet MHMD Allah bless and greet him – said: “O Allah! Make Your little servant (here meaning Abu Hurayra) and his mother beloved to Your believing servants, and make the believers beloved to the two of them.” Not one believer is brought into existence who hears about me without seeing me except he loves me.

    Ayesha (rad.i-Allahu `anha) said: “By Allah, I never saw any women better than the women of the Ansar (i.e. the women of Madina) or stronger in their confirmation of Allah’s Book! When Sura al-Nur was revealed — “and to draw their ‘khumur’ over their bosoms” (24:31) — their men went back to them reciting to them what Allah had revealed to them, each man reciting it to his wife, daughter, sister, and relative. Not one woman among them remained except she got up on the spot, tore up her waist-wrap and covered herself from head-to-toe (i`jtajarat) with it. They prayed the very next dawn prayer covered from head to toe (mu`tajirat).”

    If you are still in dispute of the above article, I suggest you consult with a knowledgeable imam, shaikh, alim, or student of knowledge to help you understand what a “veil” suppose to mean. Also, http://store.dar-us-salam.com/main.mvc? is a good source to find beneficial books on hijab.

    May Allah (swt) help us show the straight path just like he shows us the clarity of the day and night. Ameen.

    And Allah knows best.

  16. Zeeshan Says:

    I don’t want to be rude, disrespectful, or to embarrass you but please bring your evidence to your claims from Quran and Sunnah. So far I have given you proof and evidence from Quran and Sunnah and Allah (swt) knows that I did not say anything from my mind and heart.

    Allah (swt) showed us how to give dawah so please when you post comment or respond, use evidence from Quran and Sunnah, and use kind, and gentle words because that is a proof on who’s in haqq and batil.

    Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided. (Quran 16:125)

    Tafsir al-Jalalayn
    Call, mankind, O Muhammad (s), to the way of your Lord, [to] His religion, with wisdom, [with] the Qur’ān, and fair exhortation, its [the Qur’ān’s] fair exhortations, or with gentle words, and dispute with them by way of that which, that is, by way of that [manner of] disputation which, is best, such as calling [them] to God by way of His signs and calling [them] to His definitive arguments. Truly your Lord knows best, that is, He is fully knowledgeable [of], those who stray from His way and He knows best those who are guided, and will requite them — this was [revealed] before the command to fight [them].

  17. Iftekhar Hassan Says:

    Honorable Zeeshan Sahib,

    At no time during this debate I have been disrespectful or contemptuous to you or anybody. I therefore most humbly request you to be objective and remain within the debates topic. Which I assume, what is the Islamic concept of purda,niqab, hijab vs. burka. Please do not confuse or smokescreen this debate with Tafsir al-Jalalayn or other aspect of dawa, guidence or fiqe.

    I point out clearly ” show me where in Surah an-Nur ayah 31 says about face covering with only two holes as an specific order”

    Which you are unable to point out and now taking other aspect of holy Qu’ran. My understanding is very clear and I think and reasonably believe, that whosoever, says that “BURKA wearing is a Qu’ranic instruction and it is written in Qu’ran is nothing but a bonafide MUSHRIK an anti-Islamic person trying to commit or adding something which is not a part of Islam or a Bi’dah that is haram.

    Again BURKA wearing is not written anywhere in Qu’ran. If it is than show me !

    Debate is than over,

    Respectfully,

  18. Zeeshan Says:

    I have posted a comment before that but for some reason it says “Your comment is awaiting moderation” but I will post it again and I hope you receive it in the best manner:

    Dear German Town,

    First, I would like to thank you for your response in my article that I posted. In the aqeedah of Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jammah, we don’t argue in such matters because what is haqq will prevail and what is batil will perish. For example, a man had came to argue with Imam Ahmed relating to aqeedah matters and he responded ” I know my deen, if you have lost yours go look for it”. Thus, I don’t like to argue in such matters because I am not a student of knowledge or a scholar of Islam. However, your response was pretty interesting in which I was obligated to respond. Therefore, I have found a article in a website http://www.livingislam.org which I hope that Allah (swt) grant us the benefit of understanding what he and his messenger Muhammad (saw) had commanded us to do, inshallah.

    { “O children of Adam, we have provided you with garments to cover your bodies, as well as for luxury. But the best garment is the garment of righteousness. These are some of Allah’s signs, that they may take heed.” } [7:26]

    Today we find the Muslim community most divided on one subject: the veil or hijab. Despite the clear rulings of Sharia on this subject, many people claim that the order for women to cover all but their faces and hands is not found in Islam.

    In this brief treatment, I will cite proofs from the source texts of Islamic jurisprudence (fiqh) from which the obligation of veiling is derived.

    The Arabic word for “veiling” is hijab. Lexically it means “cover”, and in Islam it means two things:

    – Woman’s clothing such as the head-to-toe garment specifically called jilbab and khimar.

    – Separation of the places where men and women respectively congregate.

    Obligation of Hijab as Stated in Qur’an

    { “O Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (jalabib) close round them (when they go abroad)…”} (33:59)

    Ibn Rushd in Bidaya al-Mujtahid (1:83) said that this verse has been adduced as proof that no part of a woman’s body should be evident to those who are not among the prohibited degrees of relationship (mahram) or her husband. Al-Qurtubi in his commentary on the verse said that the jilbab is the cloak that conceals all of the body including the head.

    { “And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms…” (24:31) “…only that which is apparent” } applies to women’s face and hands.

    { “… And when you ask of them (the wives of the Prophet) anything, ask it of them from behind a veil. . .” } (33:53) Al-Qurtubi said in commentary of this verse: “The consensus of Muslims is that the genitals and backside constitute nakedness for men and women, as well as all of woman except her face and hands, but some disagreed about the latter two.” This means the consensus of Muslims included them in the definition of her nakedness based on verse 33:59 and the hadith cited below.

    Obligation of Hijab as Stated in Hadith

    Among proofs for the veil in the Sunna are the following authentic hadiths (traditional reports) of the Prophet MHMD :

    “Ayesha (rad.i-Allahu `anha) reported that Asma’ the daughter of Abu Bakr (rad.i-Allahu `anhu) came to the Messenger of Allah MHMD while wearing thin clothing. He approached her and said: ‘O Asma’! When a girl reaches the menstrual age, it is not proper that anything should remain exposed except this and this. He pointed to the face and hands.” [Abu Dawud]

    Ibn Qudama in al-Mughni (1:349) explained that showing the face and hands are a specific dispensation within the general meaning of the hadith “All of the woman’s body is considered her nakedness [to those outside the mahram relationship or her husband].” (al-mar’atu `awra)

    `Ayesha (rad.i-Allahu `anha) said: “I used to enter the room where the Messenger of Allah MHMD and my father (Abu Bakr) were later buried in without having my garment on me, saying it is only my husband and my father. But when ‘Umar ibn Al-Khattab (rad.i-Allahu `anh) was later buried in (the same place), I did not enter the room except that I had my garment on being shy from ‘Umar.”

    The Prophet’s MHMD specification to Umm Salama that women should also cover their feet in prayer, narrated in the Sunan. This included the feet into the definition of her legal nakedness. “Women who are clothed but (at the same time) naked , turning their heads sideways this way and that like the humps of the camel, shall never enter Paradise nor even smell its fragrance.”

    The jurists have divided woman’s nakedness into two categories:

    *
    Lesser nakedness (`awra mukhaffafa): the face, hands, head, neck, forearms, feet, torso and back.

    *
    Greater nakedness (`awra mughallaza): all of her body except the above parts.

    `Ayesha’s (rad.i-Allahu `anha) strictness on the question is a well known saying, “When a woman reaches puberty she must cover whatever her mother and grandmother must cover.” A woman’s covering (al-khimar) is defined by `Ayesha as “nothing short of what covers both the hair and skin.” (innama al-khimaru ma wara al-sha`r wa al-bashar).

    Covering the Face

    The khimar (pl. khumur) actually refers to the head covering, so that a better translation of 24:31 would be: “and to draw their headcovers (khumurihinna) over their bosoms…” (24:31)

    It is essential to understand the two interpretations of the command to “draw their headcovers over” among the women of the Companions and the generation that immediately succeeded them, on which are based the two views of the Four Schools, namely, cover everything or expose only the face and hands:

    Some women drew from the top down, some from the sides and over. The result for the first category was to cover the face, while the second category left the face uncovered according to one’s own discretion.

    Following are two hadiths that illustrate the use of the khimar (face-veil) applied by women Companions of the verse quoted above.

    Abu Hurayra gave the following account of his mother’s conversion: I came to the Prophet MHMD Allah bless and greet him — weeping one day and said: “O Messenger of Allah, I have been inviting my mother to Islam and she has been refusing. Today I asked her again, and she said something about you which I hated to hear. Ask Allah to guide Abu Hurayra’s mother!” Whereupon the Prophet MHMD Allah bless and greet him – said: “O Allah! Guide Abu Hurayra’s mother.” Then I returned home cheered up by the Prophet’s MHMD Allah bless and greet him – supplication. When I arrived at the door of the house I found it closed. Hearing my footsteps, my mother said: “Abu Hurayra, do not come in yet.” I could hear the sound of water. She washed herself and wore her robe (dir’) and headcover (khimâr) then she opened the door and said: “Abu Hurayra! I bear witness that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah’s servant and messenger!” I returned at once to the Prophet MHMD Allah bless and greet him –, weeping for joy, and said to him: “O Messenger of Allah, good news! Allah has answered your request and guided my mother!” He glorified and praised Allah, thanking Him and saying good things. I said: “O Messenger of Allah! Ask Allah that He make me and my mother beloved to his believing servants and that He make them beloved to us.” The Prophet MHMD Allah bless and greet him – said: “O Allah! Make Your little servant (here meaning Abu Hurayra) and his mother beloved to Your believing servants, and make the believers beloved to the two of them.” Not one believer is brought into existence who hears about me without seeing me except he loves me.

    Ayesha (rad.i-Allahu `anha) said: “By Allah, I never saw any women better than the women of the Ansar (i.e. the women of Madina) or stronger in their confirmation of Allah’s Book! When Sura al-Nur was revealed — “and to draw their ‘khumur’ over their bosoms” (24:31) — their men went back to them reciting to them what Allah had revealed to them, each man reciting it to his wife, daughter, sister, and relative. Not one woman among them remained except she got up on the spot, tore up her waist-wrap and covered herself from head-to-toe (i`jtajarat) with it. They prayed the very next dawn prayer covered from head to toe (mu`tajirat).”

    If you are still in dispute of the above article, I suggest you consult with a knowledgeable imam, shaikh, alim, or student of knowledge to help you understand what a “veil” suppose to mean. Also, http://store.dar-us-salam.com/main.mvc? is a good source to find beneficial books on hijab.

    May Allah (swt) help us show the straight path just like he shows us the clarity of the day and night. Ameen.

    And Allah knows best.

  19. Zeeshan Says:

    I had posted a comment before the comment you read in which it clarifies where in the Quran and Ahadith it mentions about “Veil”. For some reason its not going through and is giving me error ” Your comment is awaiting moderation”.

  20. Zeeshan Says:

    Dear German Town,

    First, I would like to thank you for your response in my article that I posted. In the aqeedah of Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jammah, we don’t argue in such matters because what is haqq will prevail and what is batil will perish. For example, a man had came to argue with Imam Ahmed relating to aqeedah matters and he responded ” I know my deen, if you have lost yours go look for it”. Thus, I don’t like to argue in such matters because I am not a student of knowledge or a scholar of Islam. However, your response was pretty interesting in which I was obligated to respond. Therefore, I have found a article in a website http://www.livingislam.org which I hope that Allah (swt) grant us the benefit of understanding what he and his messenger Muhammad (saw) had commanded us to do, inshallah.

    You can view this article at http://www.livingislam.org/n/vii_e.html

    If you are still in dispute of the above article, I suggest you consult with a knowledgeable imam, shaikh, alim, or student of knowledge to help you understand what a “veil” suppose to mean. Also, http://store.dar-us-salam.com/main.mvc? is a good source to find beneficial books on hijab.

    May Allah (swt) help us show the straight path just like he shows us the clarity of the day and night. Ameen.

    And Allah knows best.

  21. Zeeshan Says:

    Dear German Town,

    First, I would like to thank you for your response in my article that I posted. In the aqeedah of Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jammah, we don’t argue in such matters because what is haqq will prevail and what is batil will perish. For example, a man had came to argue with Imam Ahmed relating to aqeedah matters and he responded ” I know my deen, if you have lost yours go look for it”. Thus, I don’t like to argue in such matters because I am not a student of knowledge or a scholar of Islam. However, your response was pretty interesting in which I was obligated to respond. Therefore, I have found a article in a website http://www.livingislam.org which I hope that Allah (swt) grant us the benefit of understanding what he and his messenger Muhammad (saw) had commanded us to do, inshallah.

    Please view this article

    http://www.livingislam.org/n/vii_e.html

    If you are still in dispute of the above article, I suggest you consult with a knowledgeable imam, shaikh, alim, or student of knowledge to help you understand what a “veil” suppose to mean. Also, http://store.dar-us-salam.com/main.mvc? is a good source to find beneficial books on hijab.

    May Allah (swt) help us show the straight path just like he shows us the clarity of the day and night. Ameen.

    And Allah knows best.

  22. Zeeshan Says:

    Dear German Town,

    First, I would like to thank you for your response in my article that I posted. In the aqeedah of Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jammah, we don’t argue in such matters because what is haqq will prevail and what is batil will perish. For example, a man had came to argue with Imam Ahmed relating to aqeedah matters and he responded ” I know my deen, if you have lost yours go look for it”. Thus, I don’t like to argue in such matters because I am not a student of knowledge or a scholar of Islam. However, your response was pretty interesting in which I was obligated to respond. Therefore, I have found a article in a website http://www.livingislam.org which I hope that Allah (swt) grant us the benefit of understanding what he and his messenger Muhammad (saw) had commanded us to do, inshallah.

    Please view this article:
    http://www.livingislam.org/n/vii_e.html

    And Allah (swt) knows the best.

  23. Zeeshan Says:

    I am sorry but my comment is not being posted for some reason so here is the link to the article about veil which I hope it reaches you in the best manner.

    http://www.livingislam.org/n/vii_e.html

  24. Zeeshan Says:

    Here is another article posted in ISLAMQA.com regarding face covering,hijab, and veil hope this helps, inshallah.

    http://islamqa.com/en/ref/11774/face%20covering


  25. This is the comment I posted before but it didn’t go through so I am sorry about that, May Allah help us understand his words and Muhammad (saw) way. Ameen

    Dear German Town,

    First, I would like to thank you for your response in my article that I posted. In the aqeedah of Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jammah, we don’t argue in such matters because what is haqq will prevail and what is batil will perish. For example, a man had came to argue with Imam Ahmed relating to aqeedah matters and he responded ” I know my deen, if you have lost yours, go look for it”. Thus, I don’t like to argue in such matters because I am not a student of knowledge or a scholar of Islam. However, your response was pretty interesting in which I was obligated to respond. Therefore, I have found a article in a website http://www.livingislam.org and http://islamqa.com/ which I hope that Allah (swt) grant us the benefit of understanding what he and his messenger Muhammad (saw) had commanded us to do, inshallah.

    Please view these article:
    http://www.livingislam.org/n/vii_e.html
    http://islamqa.com/en/ref/11774/face%20covering

    If you are still in dispute of the above articles, I suggest you consult with a knowledgeable imam, shaikh, alim, or student of knowledge to help you understand what a “veil” suppose to mean. Also, http://store.dar-us-salam.com/main.mvc? is a good source to find beneficial books on hijab.

    May Allah (swt) help us show the straight path just like he shows us the clarity of the day and night. Ameen.

    And Allah (swt) knows the best.


  26. This is the comment that did not get posted:

    Dear German Town,

    First, I would like to thank you for your response in my article that I posted. In the aqeedah of Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jammah, we don’t argue in such matters because what is haqq will prevail and what is batil will perish. For example, a man had came to argue with Imam Ahmed relating to aqeedah matters and he responded ” I know my deen, if you have lost yours go look for it”. Thus, I don’t like to argue in such matters because I am not a student of knowledge or a scholar of Islam. However, your response was pretty interesting in which I was obligated to respond. Therefore, I have found a article in a websiteDear German Town,

    First, I would like to thank you for your response in my article that I posted. In the aqeedah of Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jammah, we don’t argue in such matters because what is haqq will prevail and what is batil will perish. For example, a man had came to argue with Imam Ahmed relating to aqeedah matters and he responded ” I know my deen, if you have lost yours go look for it”. Thus, I don’t like to argue in such matters because I am not a student of knowledge or a scholar of Islam. However, your response was pretty interesting in which I was obligated to respond. Therefore, I have found a article in a website http://www.livingislam.org/n/vii_e.html
    which I hope that Allah (swt) grant us the benefit of understanding what he and his messenger Muhammad (saw) had commanded us to do, inshallah.

    And Allah (swt) knows the best.

  27. Iftekhar Hassan Says:

    Honorable Zeeshan Sahib,

    I agree with you ” Only Allah knows the best!

    But, I haven’t had the opportunity as to where in Qu’ran it says that women must wear Burka with only 2 holes near their respecting eyes to see, even when they are outside.

    I agree with all the fard and I have serious certain about certain hadith and their authenticity.

    I have had the opportunity to read about Yamani Sahaba Abu Huraira (the catman)and I would reserve my opinion about him and his so many hadith that he narrated to various school of thought.

  28. Iftekhar Hassan Says:

    Correct version

    Honorable Zeeshan Sahib,

    I agree with you ” Only Allah knows the best!

    But, I haven’t had the opportunity as to where in Qu’ran it says that women must wear Burka with only 2 holes near their respecting eyes to see, even when they are outside.

    I agree with all the fard and I have serious doubt about certain hadith and their authenticity.

    I have had the opportunity to read about Yamani Sahaba Abu Huraira (the catman)and I would reserve my opinion about him and his so many hadith that he narrated to various school of thought.

  29. Zeeshan (NYC) Says:

    Dear Iftekhar Hassan saab,

    If your asking where in the quran does the word “Burqa” is than I agree with you there is no where in the quran where it mentions the word “Burqa”, but what exactly is “burqa”?

    Burqa is an enveloping outer garment worn by women in some Islamic traditions for the purpose of hiding a female’s body when out in public. It is worn over the usual daily clothing (often a long dress or a shalwar kameez) and removed when the woman returns to the sanctuary of the household, out of the view of men that are not their husbands, fathers, brothers, uncles, sons and grandsons.

    Now, if you read the article I presented, it clearly states:
    Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allaah is Ever Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful”
    [al-Ahzaab 33:59]

    This is a comment from Ibn Abbas(r) on the above ayah:

    Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “Allaah commanded the believing women, if they go out of their houses for some need, to cover their faces from the top of their heads with their jilbaabs, and to leave one eye showing.”

    The tafseer of the Sahaabah is evidence, indeed some of the scholars said that it comes under the same ruling as marfoo’ reports that go back to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

    The comment “and leave one eye showing” is a concession because of the need to see the way; if there is no need for that then the eye should not be uncovered.

    The jilbaab is the upper garment that comes above the khimaar; it is like the abaya.

    Now tell me does “burqa” covers the body, head, neck, face, leaving the eyes open just like ibn abbas (r) explained?

    Also in that same article it mentions:

    It was narrated that ‘Aa’ishah said: The riders used to pass by us when we were with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in ihraam. When they came near us we would lower our jilbaabs from our heads over our faces, and when they had passed by we would uncover our faces. Narrated by Abu Dawood, 1562.

    The words “When they came near us we would lower our jilbaabs from our heads over our faces” indicate that it is obligatory to cover the face, because what is prescribed in ihraam is to uncover it. If there was no strong reason to prevent uncovering it, it would be obligatory to leave it uncovered even when the riders were passing by. In other words, women are obliged to uncover their faces during ihraam according to the majority of scholars, and nothing can override something that is obligatory except something else that is also obligatory. If it were not obligatory to observe hijab and cover the face in the presence of non-mahram men, there would be no reason not to uncover it in ihraam. It was proven in al-Saheehayn and elsewhere that a woman in ihraam is forbidden to wear the niqaab (face veil) and gloves.

    Whether you call it Burqa or XYZ, the point is to cover the whole body from top to bottom.

    Bytheway, there are many other words we use such as “Namaz”, its not in the Quran but when we hear, or say it we know what it means.

    The problem here is the lack of knowledge in Arabic, because there are words used in Quran which have multiple meanings, or have meanings that cannot be properly translated in other languages which is why Quran itself is a miracle.

    The great scholars of Islam did not only studied Islam but they also studied Arabic language because without knowing Arabic language it is impossible to translate or understand the meaning of Quran and Hadiths.

    And Allah knows the best.

    May Allah help us understand the Quran the way Sahabas (r) understood it and remained firm with it. Ameen


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